Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Believers Response to Bigfoot Atheists
Editor's Note: This is a guest post by Jeffrey Kelley, an administrator for the Facebook group, The Squatchers Lounge! (Click on link to join).
You say there is no bigfoot? So ten thousand people have all been mistaken? Even if we say 90% were misidentification that still leaves 1000 credible. 70 years ago the hairy mountain man didn't exist yet now we know them as Gorilla. A simple mind is one that closes the books and says there is no more to find. Just recently with the discovery of the Billy ape great primates are still being found. Imagine that, the locals say there are 6 foot chimps living in the area no one believes them until someone gets lucky with HD video. It isn't that hard to contemplate that not everything has been discovered in North America. The great expanses of the Pacific North West to Canada leave millions of acres of territory for a population of less than 10,000 animals. Now let’s take a look at your argument.
10) The Photographic and Video Evidence is Poor.
To much of the community’s dismay this is actually a true statement; however, there has been enough evidence collected over the last 25 years or so that leads to a large enough collection to get a good picture of the existence in question. The Patterson film was taken at a distance because they came upon a retreating animal from a distance to begin with. The technology of the time period in which this was filmed leave much to be desired but in modern times this video has been documented by respectable persons in their field and have stabilized it in such a digital format that has given the world the clearest view of the film possible. Know biologists and scientists have seen and reviewed the film on many occasions and several agree that it is most likely a living creature in the video. There is other video evidence available that many feel are genuine bigfoot on film yet such an elusive creature is known to retreat the moment it is discovered, not unlike every other wild animal in the forest.
9) Bigfoot doesn't fit in the food chain
Bigfoot fits into the food chain just fine. 10,000 animals based over millions of wild acres in North America wouldn't make a drop in the bucket of the available food sources in the big picture. We have large population of black and brown bear that eat hundreds of pounds of food yet there territory is still filled with edibles and game to eat. The placement of 10,000 animals in North America is like 200 people in down town LA. Now granted the actual area that the bigfoot use for habitat will take a small hit but an animal that is 8foot tall and a 6 to 8 foot stride is designed to cover large distances and keep moving to find food and other resources. This is how we have learned to find the areas that they travel through.
8) Bigfoot is too big to go un-noticed.
Well the first point I would like to make is they are noticed by hundreds of people each year. If we say 90% are mistaken that still leave 10 sights of an actual bigfoot. With 10,000 or so animals across North America just how often do you think you will see one? It isn't like they moved into your neighborhood and now rent 20 apartments. If you are lucky there may be a small group or a single around any one particular area. As for new species discovery, well I mentioned in the opening about the Billy Ape. A 6 foot tall Chimp Line of Primate. The rediscovery of the mountain and low land gorilla, the panda bear. I could go on but I think I have proven the point.
7) No Bigfoot fossils.
This is an old ploy by skeptics. There are no great ape fossils found to date. Does that mean Chimps, Orang and Gibbons don't exist? Of course it doesn't. Bones need to be buried in just the right conditions for a fossil to form in the first place. Even persons buried in a cemetery do not turn into fossils eventually they decay into dust like 99% of everything else that dies naturally. We have many large species fossil record due to planet wide disasters that cause the conditions to preserve bones in that way.
6) Successful Breeding Is Unlikely
Here again you have the facts a little mixed up but I will be glad to give another perspective. The actual number of animals needed to sustain a breeding population is normally agreed upon to be around 5,000 animals. Even stating that, it isn't difficult to accept that bigfoot could breed much like bears do where a single male will claim a territory as large as 500 square miles and breed with any females that remain in the home range of the male, chase off any competition they would come across, while the female would raise young. At this point in study that is an answer we just don't have... Yet. There are cases where managed populations of much fewer animals have been able to locate and breed to increase the population. As for the sighting being of only a single animal that was simply what was seen. It doesn't mean there were not others close by out of sight. When you see a deer in a field it most likely isn't alone but part of a heard but you only saw the one so you just can't say.
5) Misidentifications are widespread
I will grant the proposal in this case that 90% of the sightings each year are misidentifications. With more than 1000 sightings reported, not even taking into consideration the ones not reported, that leaves 100 possible sightings, and lets even say 90% of those are seeing bears that still leaves 10 rock solid eye witness accounts of encounters with a large upright walking great ape that "looks like no human I have ever seen" as many have said. Sounds like a good enough record for me. There are 2500 Florida Panther yet they are almost never seen nor captured on game cam in over 20 years of looking and they have a much smaller land mass to exist in.
4) No sightings before 1958.
This is a complete farce. Native peoples in both the US and Canada all have local telling of "The Hairy Ones" as my great uncle used to call them. There are old documented cases from colonial times when large hairy creatures were seen. The foot prints from Bluff Creek have never been proven to be hoaxed. In fact know scientists have exact copies of them in their collections for study as well as hundreds of other tracks that have been collected in locations that a hoaxer wouldn't bother leaving for someone to find, not to mention the characteristics of those casted tracks are showing signs of dermal ridges like finger prints as casting techniques improve.
3) Lack of killings despite reward.
You have to be able to find them to kill them first. 99.9% of the sightings are by persons not expecting to see one, nor are prepared for such an event. A reward of $1,000,000 is child’s play as far as money goes for someone that brings in the first body. Media will pay tens of millions for exclusive rights to the first 24hrs of the event. There have been a number of them shot dead. Mostly out of fear or reaction more so than the targeting of the bigfoot. A large fast moving primate is as hard of a target to hit as there is, as well as the fact they are rare as we discussed above with the deducted amount of sighting of actual animals being 10 each year. You can't have it both ways that we see 10,000 sightings and call them misidentified.
2) Bigfoot is a Hoaxer's Paradise.
While I agree with your statement you cannot take the absolute worst example of a subject matter and claim the matter closed. Although people like Rick Dyer and Tom Biscarid among others may have embarrassed themselves by covering a rubber bigfoot suit in opossum guts to attempt to defraud everyone, those are the worst of the worst. There are quite a few researchers that are in the woods attempting to find the evidence to lay on the table for everyone to examine and decide for themselves. Viral bigfoot hoax videos have been a way to drive traffic to websites and YouTube channels. This is nothing new.
1) Lack of Physical Evidence
There is plenty of physical evidence for the existence of a non-listed great primate in many parts of the world and in the US. Hair samples, mucus samples, as well as possible blood samples have been submitted. DNA labs are not in the business of classifying or announcing new species they simply look at the sample and attempt to catalogue it in the known science world. Most of the samples tested in the past are simply placed in the unknown animal column as that is all that can be done. Hair samples have been studied and while the hair appears to have human like qualities it has a structure than humans do not have. Anyone that has woodsman skills knows dead animals do not last long in the wild. Studies have been done that a full deer carcass can be devoured and scattered in under 7 days so much so that it cannot longer be identified. Simply when they die like all the other animals of the wilds they become food for others. When was the last time you came upon a dead bear body that has been there for months? I would venture to guess never.
To wrap things up I am not attempting to convince anyone that Bigfoot exist. All I am putting forth is first some factual information on the subject and to refute the Atheists of Bigfoot. It is fine if you don't believe by why try to convince others of your beliefs. The simple facts are plain. Anthropologists agree it is possible, Primatologists agree it is possible and there are enough food sources to sustain a population. I simply conclude with the question... Why not?
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ReplyDeleteThere have been many aircraft lost, never to be found in the pacific n,w., they are made of aluminum and other materials that do not disintegrate, and are much larger than a sasquatch, yet they are not found after many years of people traversing these areas.
DeleteYou can spew out your lame excuses until you're blue in the face. All you need to do is show the magic monster monkey man, what's so hard about that?
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DeleteAnon 6:33 really doesn't have a clue does he, not only is this no magic monster monkey man like kids tend to think but rather a hominin race and that means human. It is extremely hard to get good photographs of a being unwilling to remain stationary and intelligent enough to most often times avoid being spotted in the first place. Patty was taken by surprise and acordingly did what this species normally do namely retreat casually away from the unwelcome intruders.
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ReplyDeleteRUSH...second rush,clockwork angels today
DeleteYou go girl.
DeleteBigfoot is real!
ReplyDeleteAnd rush is old old old has been news
Delete35 years and still going
DeleteMore than 59 years, actually. Show us the monkey or STFU.
DeleteProve it doesn't exist, or STFU. Retard.
DeleteBrilliant! It's already been proven not to exist by the massive efforts to get anything resembling evidence of its existence, which have all come up with... Mucus, hair, blah and bullshit.
DeleteHuh ? Most people are in denial of the existence of unknown things like bigfoot or ETs and we seem to like it that way making cover-ups not too hard.
DeleteOtherwise how do you explain religion which is basically another cover-up and safe belief for the gullible, and as irrational as that is it's surrounding everything in America and most of the world going totally against all logic yet it's obviously in control.
Why, because we're a very feebleminded species preferring uncomplicated solutions easily explained away, hence no disclosure on these subjects so far.
Looney Toons!
ReplyDeleteMoron^
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DeleteInside your haunted head.
Delete...but I'd wear red stilletoes with it not bare feet ;)
ReplyDeleteJLB stop flaming on the Bigfoot blog. Hating out on blogs may fly in Britian but not here.
DeleteI'am not hating. I am a bigfoot believer! I am just playful and silly but I am harmless. :)
DeleteThe force is strong in that wanker JLB.
DeleteRed stilletoes you say, eh? I like the sound of this, tell me more?
DeleteHAHA! I thought 'flaming' was typing something rude and vulgar anyhow. Like the kinds of things that other anon's write. Just cos I'm a girl :)
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DeletePhotos or its not real :)
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And I would do anything for love, I'd run right into hell and back
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Some days it don't come easy, and some days it don't come hard
DeleteSome days it don't come at all, and these are the days that never end
Some nights you're breathing fire, and some nights you're carved in ice
Some nights you're like nothing I've ever seen before or will again
Maybe I'm crazy, oh it's crazy and it's true
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As long as the planets are turning, as long as the stars are burning
As long as your dreams are coming true, you better believe it
That I would do anything for love, and I'll be there till the final act
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But I'll never forgive myself if we don't go all the way tonight
And I would do anything for love, but I won't do that, no I won't do that
Some days I pray for silence, and some days I pray for soul
DeleteSome days I just pray to the God of Sex and Drums and Rock 'N Roll
Some nights I lose the feeling, some nights I lose control
Some nights I just lose it all when I watch you dance and the thunder rolls
And maybe I'm lonely and that's all I'm qualified to be
There's just one and only, the one and only promise I can keep
As long as the wheels are turning, as long as the fires are burning
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I would do anything for love, and there'll never be no turning back
Nite Nite
DeleteIn the famous words of Harrington
DeleteSING YOU BASTARDS.......
But I'll never do it better than I do it with you, so long, so long
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I would do anything for love, anything you've been dreaming of
But I just won't do that
I would do anything for love, anything you've been dreaming of
But I just won't do that
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But I just won't do that
But I'll never stop dreaming of you every night of my life, no way
And I would do anything for love, but I won't do that, no I won't do that
Girl:Will you raise me up, will you help me down?
Will you get me right out of this God forsaken town?
Will you make it all a little less cold?
Meatloaf:I can do that! Oh, now I can do that!
Girl: Will ya hold me safe and will you hold me tight?
Can you colourise my life, I'm so sick of black and white
Can you make it all a little less old?
Meatloaf: Ican do that! Oh woah I can do that!
Girl: Can you make us some magic with your own two hands?
Can you build an emerald city with these grains of sand?
Can you give me something I can tak home?
Meatloaf: I can do that! Oh, I can do that!
Girl:Will you cater to every fantasy I got?
Will you hose me down with holy water, if I get too hot-hot?
Will you take me places I've never known?
Meatloaf:I can do that! Oh oh now, I can do that!
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And you'll see that it's time to move on
Meatloaf:I won't do that! No I won't do that!
Girl:I know the territory, I've been around
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Anything for love, oh I would do anything for love
I would do anything for love, but I won't do that, no I won't do that
That dude likes girls with red stilletos
DeleteLmao!! JLB is a British guy (well born a man bender his gender)
DeleteWRONG!! I am a girl who seems to talk like a guy?
DeleteRIGHT - yes I am Brtish!
Oh that's got to hurt J :)
DeleteYou need to take a photo of a leg with a sign sayin' Fuck Bigfoot Evidence and change your avatar to it.
Why do they think I am a guy? Its a bit sexist?
DeleteBut you are a guy. A bit confused with your sexuality? :)
DeleteHow can you prove that I am a guy? And how can you prove that I am NOT a girl?
DeleteAsk me a question that only a girl would know hehe
Okay then, where exactly is the G Spot? :)
DeleteWhich one???? HAHAHA! Can't believe you didnt know that girls have two!!
DeleteWHAT? You've all kept that secret.
DeleteHater Baiters, No, good work Shawn! I think 100,000 or more people have seen them, for the record.
ReplyDeleteI no longer respond to skeptics who don't take the time to read or listen, and rarely those that do.
ReplyDeleteI love you!
DeleteYes, I love me too!
DeleteShow me the magical monkey.
DeleteGo to bed and dream about it then.
DeletePeople of America , time to put the Bigfoot shit aside and get ready to fight for our second ammendment. We must act now.
ReplyDeleteWTF? LOL
DeleteTruer words were NEVER spoken. 3:36 is obviously a queer liberal pansy ass Rectum Wrecker.
DeleteTake your guns and shove them up your ass. Gun control is happening! You'll have to find another way to get an erection.
DeleteWord on the street is that guns keep bigfoot in his place,theres plenty of gun laws,time for proper enforcement of them
DeleteEvery group of man on earth can figure out technology and try to replicate it. Yet BF does not. Also no reported use of fire.
DeleteMaybe they are closer to gorillas
Or north koreans
DeleteSo this gunnut would rather have innocent children shot than have sensible gun laws introduced....
DeleteI think the right should be as written and thought by those who wrote it, you can carry guns but they must have been available at the time the constitution was written.
The writers could not have envisioned the weapons we have today, there availability and the harm being done with them.
^ ^^. Tell that to criminals who don't care about the law. Tell that to the drug dealer with an ak47 that was supplied by the ATF in operation fast furious
DeleteHow weak, stupid, can you be
You are hopeless. Don't even want to be able to protect you family. You deserve neither freedom or liberty. Scum you are
I rarely see any accounts of these supposedly people laying down fire to protect their family ! Usually innocents get shot more often in these cases like family members! Prove it to us^
DeleteSo when three guys with guns break in to rob, rape your wife and daughters you will be content with doing nothing about it
DeleteYou are not a man. You are a weak worm who deserves whatever you get
I say leave the weak idiots alone. Don't protect them. He'll, take advantage of them. They are unarmed !!
DeleteOk keep all the guns then charge a tax equal to the amount they cost society! Should cover the cost for law enforcement, prisons, cops at schools, massacres (compensation to families) and costs to enforce everything and anything related to it's cost to our society.
DeleteGive me a few examples where someone protected their family in comparison to the thousands that didn't and had a gun. I'm searching the net and it's fairly rare. In fact there are more stories about the owners gun used on ones self by the intruder or a family member ( or worse the supposedly "matcho idiot ") who left their guns unlocked so a kid shoots another family member by mistake.
DeleteThen tax rap and other music promoting thug life, drugs, gangs, dealing, etc. Same with tv shows and movies. And take away all rights and any kids born to criminals so their kids don't get taught crime. Guns don't cost society shit. Stupidity cost society. And there is more than enough to go around.
Delete5:26 the media doesn't report all the concealed carry heroes who kill criminals. Happens everyday but they don't report it. Police state been in effect. Many bills are already passed proving it
DeleteHere you go. Don't know where you are finding your data for so many deaths. I can post the links to the FBI's and Justice Bureau Crime data for you too so you can see just how full of shit the anti gun media is. Deaths and crime with guns has been falling.
Deletehttp://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx
^^. Tell that one to your family when they have a knife to your throat
DeleteAhh fuck it. What's the use? You are a worm who DOESN'T even want to protect his own family. I feel sorry for your family
You need to come out of the closet, buy a dress, go to the bad side of town, bend over a street bench and proclaim. I AM A BITCH. Bugger me and then rape my daughter and wife. Tell them where they are and sit back and enjoy the fact that YOU are smart enough to understand that guns are bad
LMFAO You are White Trash
Sorry anon 5:48. Wasn't pointing at you
Deletehttp://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/press/htus8008pr.cfm
Deletehttp://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls#disablemobile
And a freebie to help clear the air. Read, research, then talk.
http://www.gunfacts.info/
I know, it was the one above me you were telling the truth to.
DeleteBig Jim.
DeleteYour got a lot of facts.
Keep it up
Mid Michigan calling
Look at Australia. Made law abiding people give there guns up. Robberies , shooting, and home evasions went up on average 25 percent. If a criminal knows the other person can't defend themselves there not scared of anything
DeleteWith no second amendment there is nothing to secure the first amendment. What is this country coming to? Oh that's right a police state. Fight till ya die.
DeleteYou gun nuts do a lot of tough talk for people who appear to be ruled by fear.
DeleteSee how easy it is to divert people, some asshole starts talking about guns and you wonder how a bigfoot cover-up's possible. There's you answer, control basically.
DeleteNice post.
ReplyDeleteOh please...
ReplyDeletewe exist
ReplyDeleteAll that being said; show me the monkey! There's NOT even ONE piece of evidence that passes mainstream science scrutiny.... in ALL of these years. Chew on that, "Captain Speculation". Speculation AND looney toons IS Bigfoot.
ReplyDeleteRead the article you dumb fuck.
Delete5:03 is too dumb to breathe. That's why his dad has to pump his taterhole to jump start his lungs every day.
DeleteSquatches don't like assholes, ------
Delete3:43 and 7:27 will never see one!
Actually the asshole is monkey troll 3:43 either totally clueless and therefore dumber than dried up dog doo but much more plausibly in full knowledge, because how can people today still be this gullible and function daily without not suffocating just by breathing air. Especially if you consider the jerkoff's bothering to visit bigfoot sites yet apparently so unaware of the subject's history. This forest species obviously is not a monkey as monkeys have tails for one thing and are small animals not eight feet tall humanlike.
DeleteLook who's talking about gullible. You keep believing in your monkeys with no tail fantasy, you dumb shit.
DeleteYou keep denying it you dumb gullible sheep shit, you're the only monkey here.
DeleteSee how dangerous the idea of bigfoot is to some people they'll come to bigfoot sites and talk silly against it. lol
DeleteIm a bleever.....in taterholes that is!!
ReplyDeleteTher are a lot of them out there. No body's gonna deny that
DeleteHail the Great Tatermeister!!
DeleteNice argument. Still not sure either way, but am open minded enough to say its possible.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Shawn.
Bobby
I can't wait to show off my new tinfoil cap at the Skeptic's Ball tonight. You all should come. It's held in a huge cardboard box which represents "thinking inside the box", a practice which us diehard skeptics hold dear.
ReplyDeleteOpen minds not welcome.
I'll be there! I attend every year and dance the night away with Reality, Logic and Common sence
DeleteSo when you pleasure yourself you don't close your eyes and imagining a hot chick. You just leave the lights on
Deleteclaims first
ReplyDeleteOk, all the article says is "why not"?
mainstream Science ADMITS there are 'somewhere' in the neighborhood of 1 million to 10 million UNDISCOVERED species left on the planet.
Why such a difference in numbers?
Because THEY don't KNOW so are GUESSING. The DO know that every year NEW species are discovered and not all of them are small.
I am not saying bigfoot is real but I AM open minded enough to go out into the woods (if for nothing else exercise and fun) and look, I am also open minded enough to look at the real evidence and call fakes and hoaxes fakes and hoaxes.
yeah, but 99.9% of those unknown species are single cell,benthic and abyssal ocean going life, and insects.
DeleteYou are trying to use an old trick. Make one claim that insinuates another, less likely claim is therefor true.
It doesn't work that way.
Show us the monkey. Until then, Bigfoot has not been shown to exist and can thus be dismissed as a myth.
Crap it works exactly that way you're only trolling here in denial and preaching to people a lot smarter than you, bet you deny the best film evidence too in your blissful ignorance yet you've seen the real thing too then but refusing to believe it which is a typical flat earther mentality.
DeleteSo why is bigfoot like ufos not offically accepted and announced as fact yet though it clearly is fact, well obviously because their existence is a threat to someone's position be it religious or politically coupled with the evident ignorance of most people - luckily so for authorities - too busy with everyday life to care so why risk rocking the boat by telling them.
Don't be so open minded, your brain might just fall out.
DeleteAppreciate the article but would it kill the author to get it proofread? He's undermining his own effort with his laziness.
ReplyDeleteThe author is severely dyslexic... While you are correct proper usage and grammar are important it did not detract from the article.
DeleteI love this guy. His questions alone negate any answer he might have. That is unless you are a bleeber...woo fuckin woo.
ReplyDeleteShow me the magic monkey monster man, dickface, that's all you need to do. No more excuses. Show the monkey.
Thanks, I love you too.
DeleteI showed your wife my monkey.
DeleteLadies and gents we have a new kid in the house now formally known as the monkey troll.
DeletePeople of earth, show us your Bigfoots.
ReplyDelete"There have been a number of them shot dead." I've been following BF blogs/news sites for 3 years now and can't recall many, if any other stories besides the Sierra Kills- what am I missing here?
ReplyDelete-Grand Marais BF dude.
PS....J.S. the UP is better than mid-michigan. No way they are in Hartford pines area
So misidentification leaves how many that are....hoaxed?
ReplyDeleteHere are some typical sighting reports.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP3kznKXbaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Clwtdinlq5o
Yeah, people report bigfoot.