Was The Albert Ostman Story a Hoax?
We've always been fascinated by the Albert Ostman story, but this is the first time that we've heard anything about it being a hoax. Greg W. sent us a message asking for any references to the so-called hoax, but like Greg, nothing turned up in our archives. According to our recent poll, 82 percent of our readers believe Albert's story about being kidnapped by a family of Bigfoots.
Here's what Greg wrote:
How do Squatchers, I seem to recall reading somewhere that Albert Ostman before he died recanted his "kidnapping" story, admitting he made the story up influenced by tales told by native americans of the area. Ive since tried to find this again but cannot find any admission by Ostman of a hoax, has anyone else read such an article? any info or links would be gratefully recieved to put me out of my misery
thanks
It's a Turd.
ReplyDeleteYes... We know you like to talk ****. And speaking of that, I find all this talk about role playing a bit of a misplaced effort... Especially when one can merely come back and reference the physical and biological evidence that supports the idea of relict hominids being legit.
DeleteToo easy... But that's the JREF for you. When they're not merely insulting people and expressing what is quite clearly a perverse level of superiority complex, they're trying every other angle possible instead of confronting what is their biggest obstacle;
The evidence.
^ In denial boy.
DeleteI'm not the one needing an argument against the evidence, young lad.
DeleteBill Brock needs to look into this 1 and get the JOB DONE
DeleteWhen I saw there were 94 comments posted, that Joe was out and about! Not a dig at you Joe, so please don't school me!
Deleteno! theres no way this guy lied
ReplyDeleteI know theres no evidence for giant muscle bound ape people[ I realise the fuzzy pics don't match eye witness accounts] .this doesn't mean ape people don't exist
I firmly believe they kidnapped him , out of curiosity . thee ape people who've managed to evade satellite/drones /cameras/hunters etc etc....but was fooled by a little snuff in the guys pocket. as he blew it in their faces .They all rolled about the floor coughing which incapacitated them for over an hour allowing him to escape
whats not to believe
a believable scenario if ive ever heard one
Gavin so wise. Always hit nail on head.
DeleteI Begg to differ...
Delete"I know theres no evidence for giant muscle bound ape people[ I realise the fuzzy pics don't match eye witness accounts] .this doesn't mean ape people don't exist."
You see... People like Gavin have to maintain that there is no evidence for this subject, apart from the proposed images and videos, because from here it is easier to take control of the topic and declare their premises with more confidence. Analysing the available scientific data and the reports that amount to thousands of years of cultural and contemporary reports merely puts this into context. For example, a significant percentage of the reports point to a creature 8 feet plus in height... The collaborating physical evidence? The track impressions that are twice the size of that of a normal human; whilst though many prints are different in size, they still have the same texture and ridge flow pattern, like a humans however twice the size; meaning a subject twice as big, twice the strength, three times if they've evolved to their environment like one would naturally expect.
As for drones, you are aware that there are several layers of canopy in dense wilderness areas where these creatures are likely to evade, right? There are three whole databases of reports gel people like hunters, whilst video footage and cameras have done as best a job as can be expected with still the occasional hit. Here's a video analysis by a biologist;
http://youtu.be/kar3kQWzUw8
Now... Please, whilst mere cynicism may work with anecdotes, please be mindful that you are amongst people who are very much accustomed to tactics such as yours. Tackle the overwhelming evidence that accounts for everything short of modern type scpecimen before claiming "Bigfoot don't exist". You have as much a burden in your claims as anyone else.
Oh, and here's this;
Delete"In 1924 Albert Ostman claimed that he was kidnapped by a family of sasquatch. Ostman took lie detector tests, was interrogated by a magistrate renowned for making criminals crack under questioning and Ostman NEVER cracked, never goofed up his story and never made a penny from his story. On the contrarym, he was ridiculed, but the man deserves his place in history, as does Roger Patterson and to a lesser degree."
You still are saying the same crap daily. Funny thing is that you actually believe yourself. Give it a rest. You think you are the resident skeptic at the blog-site. STFU already!
DeleteHey "Zabo", how about you make me? I at least understand the the meaning of the word "sceptic". If you do t like it, grow a brain cell and counter what I'm putting down.
Delete^ Oooh ...tough guy huh ?
DeleteWell, at least there is some "collaborating" physical evidence!
DeleteDon't you mean "corroborating", old chap.
DeleteYou wrote "collaborating" at 12:57 -- I was just trying to help you a little!
Delete^ typo hunter.
Delete^ SAY'S MULE SPERM TASTES "BEST"!!
Deleteespeicaly lappin it out of big ghey jon s
Deletecornhole.
Did Iktomi really just say "Why don't you make me...?".
DeleteChrist, he is getting worse every day, and is pretty much why I, and many other regulars, have left this site in droves. Way to go "Joe", you're a real piece of sh!t,
Absolute turd!!! This d ick cheese was never kidnapped. He probably went for a wank in the forest and got lost. He was so embarrassed that he made up this retarded story and some how a bunch of Down syndrome pole smokers believed it.
ReplyDelete^ wow... What a lovely person you are, eh? Keep doing your theory group proud. It's not far off what JREF do anyway.
DeleteGo get em Itkomi, your such a legend. Can't wait to wrap my lips around your tiny knob tonight and eat your crusty ball cheese. I'm gonna spread your cheeks and suck out a turd. Love you baby.
DeleteJoe
What a clever boy you are. I bet your parents are proud.
Delete...Ugh...the trolling is getting really gross around here....
DeleteWhat has become of this site ?
DeleteAll the juvenile type comments are the sort of thing read on school toilet walls.
1:58 is probably the same loser who comes on here and tries to be me ever day by trying to chock people with his vulgar language .
DeleteI know I am a legend in his life but son , please get another hobby because you are starting to bore me with your gutter talk and your diaper is probably full and that is what is making you angry
Joe
7;35 is a legend in his own fantasy
DeleteThe problem with the Ostman story is that this family of bigfoot would need to consume huge amounts of calories for their size, which they didn't do.
ReplyDeleteThis makes the story a tall tale and not factual.
Primatologist John Napier stated that "Ostman's story fails to convince me primarily on the grounds of the limited food resources available."
DeleteI like Napier as a very reputable enthusiast, but wouldn't it be guessing the dietary requirements of Sasquatch? Couldn't they simply have a longer duration to what calories they need from things like meat that they eat compared to primates like us? We know large mammals can go a significant time between eating large meals.
DeleteAn 8 foot tall 800 lb creature would need to eat a lot, almost constantly. Big animals like elephants basically eat non stop while roaming. And gorillas also spend much of their time munching on food. When awake, bears do nothing more than constantly look for food,
DeleteI agree with Napier that the Ostman story doesn't hold up given the caloric requirements that would have been needed for a group of four creatures.
... Listen, it's an interesting observation of the story to which I'd never considered, but we know enough about what large mammals eat in North America to know that their dietary habits might not be what we expect. We know large mammals don't consume large frequencies of meat daily, these are facts.
DeleteNot enough food in millions of acres of forest, fish laden streams and lakes, critters, deer, berries, root plants, and the list goes on, not to mention thieving off of outlying farms. The current estimate for grizzly bears in British Columbia is 16 to 18 k. Forest Giants are much more adept at finding food sources than a grizzly. So much for not to brilliant John Napier
DeleteChuck
...Not to mention the fact the story remained untold until bigfoot went mainstream....Highly questionable timing...
DeleteYeah, Ostman didn't tell his story until 1957, over 30 years after it supposedly happened.
DeleteIt's not that food isn't out there, it's that the family of bigfoot stayed there for 6 days preventing Ostman from escaping.
Well I find the fact that he past a lie detector's test rather interesting... I know there are reasons why this is not used in the court of law these days, but I still find it adds more credibility to his story.
DeleteThere are many possible reasons as to why Ostman waited that long to tell his story, and this can be mirrored by the present day, in the manner in which people have had more confidence in coming forward with their accounts now that the topic has hit new heights of pop culture.
You think a lie detector test adds credibility to his story but when it comes to Bob Heionimus you state that a lie detector test is totally unreliable. You always cherry pick to bolster your case. If you truly believe the Ostman story then it's very clear you are not discerning when it comes to evidence for Bigfoot.
DeleteCould not agree more Iktomi. What always impressed me about his account was his so totally accurate description of them, there features, and manners, something that was not very well know or documented if at all at that time.
DeleteChuck
Add to the fact that Ostman could have been mentally ill and completely believed his story was real. He would also pass a lie detector test as well. Garbage, a researcher of your supposed caliber should know better Iktomi. And like the other Anon posted you did know better when it suited your agenda of trying to discredit Bob Heionimus. Of course none of this matters because the intelligent people here allready know what a phony you are. The other 4 people that believe you know what you are talking about will believe you no matter what. I realized this when you were still promoting Todd Standings muppet head as real. Promising us groundbreaking evidence was coming from him just around the corner. We are now well into September and I haven't heard anything groundbreaking from Standing yet. Where is this film that is going to blow our minds? He fell WAY short of his crowd funding goal. Im sure hes still editing it as well. Takes a lot of work to make fiction look like reality. But still you assured us that he would be delivering the goods soon, that was a long time ago.
DeleteHeironimus’ polygraph results in perspective; McCormick who conducted his first died in 2009 and Heironimus’ attorney, Barry Woodard, did not respond to requests from another local polygraph expert for a peer review of the test results. The credibility of the ‘Lie Detector’ show regarding his second, also took a hit when host Ed Gelb was accused of exaggerating his own academic credentials and the show was victimized by a guest who made up a story, aced Gelb’s polygraph and then bragged about it in a magazine.
DeleteDo you cherry pick or do you simply need to brush up on the topic?
6:24... "Ostman could have been insane"; doesn't cut it.
DeleteAs for Standing, I repeatedly stated that, anything up to a million times, that the pictures looked suspicious, but a Hollywood SFX expert couldn't rule them out as genuine and reeled off be most unrealistic and expensive SFX techniques to maybe achieve what we see in those photos. There is not one source that shows that those photos are conclusively fake, and what does a real sceptic do? It refrains from passing judgement until more data is available.
As for his documentary, he got run off from the field before putting anything out and has a wildlife biologist who is a former advisor to the UN claiming his research area is legitimate, as well as an anthropologist who is a world authority on evolutionary bipedalism claiming the same; what you gonna do about it?
tell us all about the 10,000 years of oral tradition that you state as fact daily.
DeleteWhy does 6:24's statement that he may have been mentally ill not to be considered? I mean the story is suspect on so many levels. I can appreciate your passion but allowing any credence to this story does not help your credibility in your argument for Bigfoot's existence.
DeleteI'll give you Natives who say 50,000, and I'll give you the physical evidence to support the reports.
Delete7:51... Do you think that any mental health issues would have been identified when he was interrogated by a magistrate renowned for making criminals crack under questioning? It's mere cynicism, it doesn't hold any place in adult debate because there is no evidence of Ostman having any mental health issues through out his life.
Delete^ Perhaps he was as fixated and obsessive as you and therefore incapable of living reality..it is known that fantasists (such as yourself) continually live in denial and disregard the truth at all costs.
DeleteMaybe you have some evidence that he endured mental health issues to go with your baseless arguments? Right??
DeleteHow's that burden coming along??
7;54
Delete50,000 ? ...errrrrrr,pardon ?
That has to be one of your more ridiculous statements...of which we have seen a multitude.
The Old Testament only goes back about 3,000 or so years and it is a written document -- I guess that means the story of Adam and Eve and the serpent should be taken as literally true!
DeleteNot only can't the skeptics come up with any evidence of Ostman having mental heath issues but they also can't come up with one shred of evidence of the fabled monkey suit they claim exists. They are filled with spite and are classic sociopaths
DeleteJoe
8:40... 6:30mins mark here;
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL-XiGucelU
... And read here;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041118104010.htm
... Ever hear the Natives reference North America as "Turtle Island".
dosent make it fact ! they can say anthing they want ,!
Deleteoh i didnt hear them proving thier claim of a 50,000 yr old sasquatch oral tradition.
DeleteDid you open the Science Daily link?
Delete: p
Dr B Sykes ..22 !
Deletejoetomi.......0 !
Dr B Sykes smashes jotomi s face in the mud AGAIN!!...LOL.
south america is not north america!
Delete"Radiocarbon tests of carbonized plant remains where artifacts were unearthed last May along the Savannah River in Allendale County by University of South Carolina archaeologist Dr. Albert Goodyear indicate that the sediments containing these artifacts are at least 50,000 years old, meaning that humans inhabited North American long before the last ice age."
DeleteIf Bob Heironimus's lie detector results (FYI he took two separate tests and passed both) are discredited by bigfoot believers, then Ostman's lie detector results also are to be discredited.
DeleteYou can't have it both ways.
FYI, to this day Gimlin refuses to take a lie detector test. Hmmm?
^ thinks 13,000 is the same as 50,000
Deletefor 11:09 ^^
Delete11:51... Did you actually read the circumstances of Bob H's lie detector tests? You're not the brightest spark, right? If any enthusiast had the same occurrences around his/her polygraph tests, you'd be crying like a little girl about it, ha ha ha ha ha!!
Delete11:52... "the sediments containing these artifacts are at least 50,000 years old, meaning that humans inhabited North American long before the last ice age."
^ shut up you tart.
DeleteMake me chump.
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They jump into productive online discussions and civil debates, and undermine them, ruin them, with uninvited insulting, racist and inflammatory comments. If only it stopped there."
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3;03
DeleteName the time and place and I will indeed.
ps...not your local public toilet where you suck dick for a few quid each day please.
^ not much fear of iktomi fronting anybody out if he has to actually show himself - he`s is a p*ssy c*nt.
Delete82% belive the Ostman story? I think there may be a few pretend skeptics on here.
ReplyDeleteIt`s true...I am a believer in bigfoot but pretend to be a nay sayer...it`s such fun.
DeleteI would love to see a full lenth film about the Ostman account.
ReplyDeleteLeo.
With Morton Downey Jr. as Albert Ostman.
DeleteAnd Tim Conway as "The Old Man."
I would too Leo! Send you an email my friend.
Delete..Just picture "Harry and the Hendersons" with the bigfoot replaced by a human and the human family replaced by a clan of bigfoots....lol..
DeleteLOL. Yeah, Tim Conway played the Old Man character on many of the skits on the Carol Burnett show. Too funny.
DeleteMaybe it would be better to have Vin Diesel play Ostman. He can shoot his way out of the bigfoot imprisonment with a machine gun.
Joe is so hoping he gets kidnapped by Bigfoot. It's a hoax Joe...now go put your big boys pants on and get some sun.
ReplyDeleteYet for all your daily prayers, you're no closer to lifting that burden, eh?
DeleteWho's Joe?
Don't pretend like you don't know me Itkomi. Remember our dirty weekend in Mexico. You sucked off a donkey and spat it's jizz into my mouth and don't forget when you stuck a burrito up my ass and then ate it. Unforgettable memories my love.
DeleteJoe
....That is absolutely disgusting...funny, but absolutely disgusting....
DeleteIt's funny... You just have to worry about kids accessing this site, which they do.
DeleteDisgusting, but true!
Delete5;34 ...worry about kids here ?
DeleteYou don`t think that`s who`s posting these immature and sick comments ?
the troll is at it again. I am beginning to believe all the sexual talk is coming from a very repressed teen who is probably more worried about his acne and meeting girls then he is about a bigfoot actually being real. He needs to get off mommy's laptop and go back to school
DeleteJoe
I find that i am spending way too much time responding to the fake me than I am actually talking about the articles posted and that is a shame.
Deletei do believe the Ostman story. He may have embellished it a bit here and there but overall I think he was taken by a family of bigfoots. It's too bad he wasn't alive now so that we could do a more indepth interview with him , possibly get a sketch artist to draw what he saw . Haven't been that many cases where someone has been that close to one and i would have loved to have asked so many questions
Joe
^ Biggest child troll of all.
DeleteSuck much dick ?
^ shush you toddler. Your diaper needs changing. run along , you are starting to smell something bad around here
DeleteJoe
^ Big ghey jon = Wannabee Joe!
Delete8;47 hahahaha ..you are getting a little hot under the collar eh ?
DeleteYou just can`t do anything effective here can you ?
It`s a little continuation of your daily life of unemployment and benefit payments...drudgery and misery...day after day.
hahahahaha you sad loser.
...I never read anything about a confession first hand or second hand on the forums...Both BFF and JREF have some members that know everything about the history of this topic...
ReplyDeleteAsk William Parcher about it.
Delete^
DeleteHe's been pretending to be a skeptic for years now.
I don't know.
ReplyDeleteYou mean there are actually people who BELIEVE in Ostman's tall tale?
ReplyDeleteHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Millions.
Delete. . . . . who think it's just a crazy story.
DeleteLet`s tot up the day`s scores ----
ReplyDeleteHere we are ---- Blog posters - 15 ...Joe - O
The scoreboard shows a smoking for Joe yet again.